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PostPosted:Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:58 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You and a lot of guys here really have to learn that not everything is black and white, there are lots of shades of grey.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:52 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>From what I can tell, you are excusing the practice of purposely distorting the truth to get attention. But if what you're drawing people's attention to isn't true, why bother?</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:53 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I don't see how this responds to G-man's question. G-man's response was my own: no here has excused the practice of career politicians.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:56 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Tell me something I don't know, Zeus. Documentaries are known to try to convey the life story and/or truth behind the scenes. But when the sentences are spliced up to give the viewers a different message than the speaker's intent - that called fabrication (ie spin).</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:39 am
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Finally saw it to see what all the hype was about. He may have taken some "artistic license" (or maybe more than some?), but I have to say that the film is still excellent.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:16 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Heh...you'll need that guide to figure which parts are true and which ones are spun. =8^)</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:08 pm
by Mr.Person
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The Lockheed Martin bit is a small part, and despite these "inaccuracies" Moore's points about a racial divide, and "culture of fear" still stands.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:39 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The point of the film was to make people think about what they're exposed to on a daily basis. Yes, he bends the truth (sometimes a lot), but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't think about what you're exposed to and question whether or not it's true</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:40 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, but if I can't even read one of his books without knowing if its actually true or not, what's the fucking point?</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:41 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If that movie was "based on true events" instead of a "documentary", no one woulda cared. There is no documentary ever made that couldn't be disected like this and proven to be "false", none of any consequence anyways. I don't like it, but it's necessary to be heard</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:43 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I was more referring to how the film had to be seen as either "good" or "bad".</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:45 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Okay. That's not the objection though. The objection is that he DID distort the truth - he deceived. You lose credibility when you deceive.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:45 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's how I feel.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:43 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Necessary? You know where the term "spin" comes from right? "Spinning a web of lies." That's why I prefer unbiased, zero political agenda documentaries.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:56 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I agree, but it doesn't bother me QUITE as much. I can still take those points that are good that he's made out of it and just throw the rest of the stuff out. I question everything as it is and it's not a surprise that a lot of what he said was bent/distorted.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:57 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>To me, he just gives you something else to think about, a new point of view. That's what I like about his stuff...</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:58 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Every documentary ever made is biased. Even that article dissing Moore is biased, just on the other side. There is no such thing as an unbiased point of view, you have to take what you can out of something by questioning it and filtering out the junk</div>

PostPosted:Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:24 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Yeah....the documentary about lions is so Liberal. Wake up Zoos.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 01, 2003 2:30 am
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I'll be sure to keep a printout around just in case. ;) After seeing the documentery, I can't say that I'm suprised that he did some fancy dancing around to prove a point....But you have to see it. The Charlton Heston "interview" is worth the price of admission alone...</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 01, 2003 7:52 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I'm afraid dis-information may lower my IQ levels. =8^) I'll have the information on hard copy when I view this Crockumentary. =8^D</div>