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WTF? Who the hell is the AGC?
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:53 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?d ... nsored!</a>
WTF? Who the hell is the AGC?</div>
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:26 am
by Tessian
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Apparantly they have the right to tell PA to shut off the comic. Real dumb and PA's looking into the legalities of it. It'll be back eventually...I didn't know the AGC were such pricks</div>
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:29 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I hope PA sues their asses off.</div>
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:59 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>They plan to pursue it, but contrary to what I initially thought, there is precedent against them.</div>
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:43 pm
by Tessian
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>what precedent is that, exactly?</div>
PostPosted:Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:55 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="
http://www.tklaw.com/website.nsf/719da0 ... ent.pdf</a>
Dr. Seuss Enterprises v. Penguin Books:</div>
Hmmm, doesn't look good for them...
PostPosted:Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:55 am
by EsquE
<div style='font: 10pt Baskerville; text-align: left; '>...they seem to meet 3 of the fair use criteria, but the fact that they used Strawberry Shortcake as a vehicle to make fun of American McGhee could be the problem...though I don't get the concept that parody is reliant on it being a direct parody of the subject matter vs. the subject matter merely being a means to ridicule something else making it satire instead...
...my opinion is that if the work is original enough, it should be allowed and the penny arcade strip qualifies as that...if they cut and pasted Strawberry Shortcake's head onto a photo of a dominatrix, then I'd say it violates the original work...if you put in the effort, you're cool with me...</div>
PostPosted:Sat Apr 26, 2003 12:15 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>...Which was not decided by the Supreme Court, and instead by some punk judge who wanted to be cute. The Supreme Court, ever since the People vs. Larry Flynt, have always supported parody as a form of fair use.</div>
PostPosted:Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:35 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The fact that it didn't go higher than that means something. Precedent is precedent.</div>
PostPosted:Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:27 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Precedent doesn't mean shit in the 21st century. Judges are more illogical than ever now. The only thing that stablizes any logical thought in the process is a panel of judges.</div>
PostPosted:Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:47 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Sineswiper, Esq.</div>
PostPosted:Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:19 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Eh?</div>
PostPosted:Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:41 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You made a very strong statement - precedent doesn't matter - especially for someone who has no legal education or training.</div>
PostPosted:Sun Apr 27, 2003 11:46 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I know what I see around me. I hear about cases all the time: one is logic, one is made by a stupid judge. One follows precedent, one doesn't.</div>
PostPosted:Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:11 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Ah, I see. You've heard of some cases that go against precedent, so therefore precedent doesn't matter in all cases.</div>
PostPosted:Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:19 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Let's just say that precedent isn't as strong as it used to be or should be.</div>
PostPosted:Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:00 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>See above comment... that's a broad judgement, one which I don't think you're equipped to make. (For the record, nor am I.)</div>