New MacBooks

[Kupek]

Sold.

[Shellie]

not sold.

My Dell does everything I need for work.

My personal Compaq is old as hell and I still use it for travel, etc. It cant run LOTRO, but neither can that Mac

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

Yeah, they're fucking amazing to look at, huh? Lovely that they're consolidating the designs of the notebooks and PCs, too. It's just a shame that the prices haven't come down at all.

[Zeus]

Wow, that looks a lot like my HP laptop...just silver

[Tessian]

Apple does an AWESOME job of taking what others have already done and convincing their customer base that it's NEW and INNOVATIVE because they do it now. As Zeus has pointed out most manufacturers have had similar laptop designs out for ages; that new macbook looks pretty close to my sister's Toshiba that's now 3 years old.

I've always thought they were solid built/designed machines, but I don't get how their prices haven't come down. Dell can sell you the same hardware for almost half the price so what's the deal?

[Kupek]

Dell can sell you the same hardware for almost half the price so what's the deal?

I'm buying more than hardware. I've used Windows, Linux and OSX. OSX wins, and I'm willing to pay for it.

Second, there's more to even the hardware than the components that go in it. The design of their case is the best in the industry, and, again, I'm willing to pay for it. You think "it looks pretty close," but from what I've personally seen, nothing touches the Macbooks.

I've known I wanted a Macbook for a long time now, I've just been waiting for them to upgrade the lineup.

[SineSwiper]

Apple does an AWESOME job of taking what others have already done and convincing their customer base that it's NEW and INNOVATIVE because they do it now. As Zeus has pointed out most manufacturers have had similar laptop designs out for ages; that new macbook looks pretty close to my sister's Toshiba that's now 3 years old.

I've always thought they were solid built/designed machines, but I don't get how their prices haven't come down. Dell can sell you the same hardware for almost half the price so what's the deal?

QFT.

[Tessian]

Dell can sell you the same hardware for almost half the price so what's the deal?

I'm buying more than hardware. I've used Windows, Linux and OSX. OSX wins, and I'm willing to pay for it.

Second, there's more to even the hardware than the components that go in it. The design of their case is the best in the industry, and, again, I'm willing to pay for it. You think "it looks pretty close," but from what I've personally seen, nothing touches the Macbooks.

I've known I wanted a Macbook for a long time now, I've just been waiting for them to upgrade the lineup.

I almost bought a Macbook when I was shopping for a new laptop back in January... in the end I chose against it because I just couldn't justify the cost. For the same price of the lowest end macbook (which sucks in comparison to the others, btw) I picked up a VERY powerful laptop and once they have an easy way to put OSX on an Intel chipset I'm there. Macbooks are great for casual computer user who has the extra cash to burn, but for the rest of us that need more horsepower and for a laptop to DO things we'll stick with paying the same amount for a high end PC laptop. There are a lot of good things about the Mac, I just wish Apple would focus their marketing on THAT instead of making fun of Windows. They're no better than John McCain when it comes to commercial advertising.

[Zeus]

Hey, if it's what you want, all the power to ya.

This is what my HP looks like (this is just newer hardware):

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/prodde ... 806&catid=#

To tie back into the argument Tess and I were having with Seek about the Apple "community member", I think Maddox put it best:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... =macs_cant

[Kupek]

Macbooks are great for casual computer user who has the extra cash to burn, but for the rest of us that need more horsepower and for a laptop to DO things we'll stick with paying the same amount for a high end PC laptop.

Ha. Most of the people I know who have Macbooks are Computer Scientists. OSX is everything I want Linux to be. There's more to being able to "DO" things with a computer than the raw specs.

[Lox]

Yeah, I looooove OSX. I wish you could just run it on Intel. I'd be there in a second. Or I'd at least figure out a way to dual-boot so I could have both.

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

Second, there's more to even the hardware than the components that go in it.

Yes! This is I think a really fundamental point that you guys just don't get. Comparing these new Macbooks to a fucking HP laptop? There is a fundamental lack of comprehension being revealed in that comparison.

I love you guys, but I wish that you — that is to say, Tessian, Zeus, Sine, and Flip — would just not post in Apple threads. You make the same points every time Apple comes up and it is tiring.

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<a href="http://www.apple.com/macbook/#designvideo">A quick movie on the design and making of the new Macbooks.</a>

Jon Ive is a legend. He's going to be remembered as one of the most important industrial designers of the 21st century, I think. And he's only 41! He's likely got his best years ahead of him!

I watched the notebook keynote. Jobs is not looking well. That's a little worrying.

[Zeus]

I love you guys, but I wish that you — that is to say, Tessian, Zeus, Sine, and Flip — would just not post in Apple threads. You make the same points every time Apple comes up and it is tiring.

A big part of what Apple sells - arguably their main marketing points - is style. I was simply pointing out they stole their style in this case.

And I've said it a bunch of times: it's not the products I dislike, it's the sheep-like attitude most of their consumers exhibit that's irritating. Maybe not you but the vast majority of Apple consumers I've met. Hence the link to Maddox's site.

[Julius Seeker]

Anti-Apple people are the most thick-headed, stubborn people on the planet. No matter how good you find the product compared to everything else you've used, how much you like it, they'll always come in and try to argue about how it is terrible, evil, and/or overpriced.

[Flip]

Ill bring up another point real quick, then never post in another Apple thread.

Another thing that irks me about Apple is that they 'upgrade' (i.e. just change the look or case) way too often and people know what the newest products and designs are. An iPod Nano from last year, functions just like the new ones, but the new Nano is in an obling looking shell, so your old Nano is now a piece of shit and Apple'tards will let you know it.

I have a friend who bought a very nice Macbook last year and is also drooling over the announcement of the new ones. That just goes to show that a lot of Apple users are more in it for the look and prestige than functionality. Hence the point about Apple being all about marketing. If you feel the need to buy a new Nano just because, then Apple has just owned you. They are just as bad about this crap as Nintendo.

I have a 2 year old Vaio. The new Vaio's look great, but someone looking at my comp for the first time has no idea i have an 'older' model, and in fact, they usually think its pretty new. Thats because Sony's products are timeless, always look good, and work for what you use it for; not just showing off to your friends.

[Kupek]

I have a friend who bought a very nice Macbook last year and is also drooling over the announcement of the new ones. That just goes to show that a lot of Apple users are more in it for the look and prestige than functionality.

The multiple of anecdotes is not data.

For the record, the Macbook and Macbook Pro line haven't changed for over two years, which is probably on par (maybe slower?) than other laptop manufacturers. And when the line changes, it's significant. (Edit: there have been component upgrades and price changes, but the design has not changed.)

Also for the record, this will be my first purchase of an Apple product.

[Tessian]

<del>Anti-</del>Fanatic Apple people are the most thick-headed, stubborn people on the planet. No matter how good you find the product compared to <del>everything else you've used</del> an apple product, how much you like it, they'll always come in and try to argue about how it is terrible, evil, and/or <del>overpriced</del> inferior.

FTFY
/Seriously though, it goes both ways... just that the anti-mac is in response to the initial anti-everything else elitism many mac owners display.

[SineSwiper]

Second, there's more to even the hardware than the components that go in it.

Yes! This is I think a really fundamental point that you guys just don't get. Comparing these new Macbooks to a fucking HP laptop? There is a fundamental lack of comprehension being revealed in that comparison.

This is something I'm trying to understand. Besides the "look cool" physics of the hardware (pretty colors!), what is so great about the hardware, next to a PC? For the most part, it's locked hardware, and that locked hardware really makes it hard to encourage competition in the Apple marketplace. Thus, the price of your Apple is always higher to a comparable PC.

I can halfway understand people liking OSX, but keep in mind that they just stole the best parts of BSD. The Apple OS used to suck before OSX. (Why do you think they replaced it?)

Oh, and you can install OSX on an PC. Shit, all of the new Apples are already running on Intel processors, so that step is already done for you.

The multiple of anecdotes is not data.

Well, excuuuuuuse me if there isn't scientific studies available that show that most Apple fanboys are, in fact, buying it because it looks cool. For now, we have a vast wealth of opinions that all point to the same conclusion.

And we have Maddox. His opinion is like a scientific study, or more like a mathematical proof, in that he is always right.

[Julius Seeker]

FTFY
/Seriously though, it goes both ways... just that the anti-mac is in response to the initial anti-everything else elitism many mac owners display.

The anti-Apple response I am seeing is in response to relatively new product owners, such as Kupek and myself, who are simply just expressing positive response towards Apple products.

Truthfully, I have never even seen these mac fanatics you guys are talking about... Let alone on this board.

But I would like to see an example of one, could be funny =)

[Tessian]

I am not hating at any of you guys (well, maybe you Seek... but that's cause of your well known Nintendo fanboyism I think we all just assumed you'll act the same with Apple too ) but more venting at the overall situation.

My best summation was up above- it's a good solid product that is perfect for many people but not everyone. Their marketting is what pisses me off the most-- it's either outright lies/exaggerations/slander against microsoft, or it's lies about how they innovate the market by introducing something that already exists but it's Apple so it's AWESOME. MANY people buy Apple products simply because of their brand name. If Apple sold cigarettes the # of cases of lung cancer would skyrocket. The automatic assumption that everything Apple creates is gold is really irritating; if Apple came out with a pencil, just a normal graphite wood pencil with the apple logo on it, it would be hailed the best pencil in existence. THAT is the kind of elitism/fanboyism that really pisses me off. I know that a lot of apple users aren't like that, my best friend has a macbook and an iphone and loves it, but it's hard to ignore the screeching of the others.

You can enjoy the macbook, iphone, ipod, etc and we can all agree they're solid products... but don't anyone dare try to tell me they're the superior product and contain no flaws. Also, I can't wait for Steve Jobs to step down from Apple... stocks will plummet and the company will slip back into obscurity like it did last time. How sad is that? As much as everyone LOVES Apple they'll ditch it at a moment's notice if they hear Steve Jobs has cancer.

So that's my rant in a nutshell... I acknowledge they're good products, I just can't stand the hype over them as if they were made of gold.

[Lox]

Didn't the stock take a dive when Jobs got sick or something recently?

[Flip]

It still boggles my mind that even the latest iPod doesnt have an FM tuner, wtf? Why? Because they want you to buy more songs from iTunes instead! F you Apple!

Ok, im done for reals this time.

[Lox]

Ok, im done for reals this time.

Liar.

[Kupek]

[Tessian]

Didn't the stock take a dive when Jobs got sick or something recently?

That's kind of what I was referring to... a story came out that claimed Jobs was in poor health or that he had cancer (I forget exactly what) and Apple stock took a beating. The story was later refutted and turned out to be incorrect, but it showed just how much investors trust apple to continue to deliver once Jobs is gone. There was even an article shortly after saying that some investors demanded that Jobs release his medical history because his health was apparently so tightly linked with the stock price, haha.

[Kupek]

Why do you find this funny or unusual? Apple as it currently is - its products, its image, and its business strategy - is because that's how Steve Jobs wants it. And it works. They are a extremely profitable consumer electronics company. So if the brains behind that extremely profitable company might have to step down, doesn't it make sense for the stock to go down?

[Anarky]

I work on a Mac at work, I really am not a fan of OSX. It is just not what I like in an OS.

I come home and like running my Vista and XP (dual boot). I've run linux from time to time. I am set in my ways I guess.

Price is one of the biggest deterrents from me ever buying a MAC, I can't justify the prices of the desktops considering I've built all my computer since high school. I upgrade parts on the fly and if I fry a motherboard or something break big deal I RMA it or buy new parts.

The notebooks.... well I just look at SlickDeals and that always seems to work out for me.

[Zeus]

And we have Maddox. His opinion is like a scientific study, or more like a mathematical proof, in that he is always right.

I believe that would make it a scientific law that only quantam physics can attempt to argue against (kinda like the law of gravity :-)